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  • 2021-05-06 (xsd:date)
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  • Did a Police Trainer Say Police Have the 'Best Sex' After Killing Someone? (en)
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  • In early May 2021, Snopes readers asked about a comment made by a man described in social media posts as top police trainer Dave Grossman. A retired U.S. Army lieutenant colonel, Grossman is a prolific speaker at police training seminars, and heads a company called Killology Research Group. A remark Grossman made during a lecture in 2015 gained widespread attention on social media in April 2021, nearly one year after the murder of George Floyd by former Minneapolis police officer Derek Chauvin sparked massive racial justice protests nationwide. These comments were pulled from a 2015 lecture by Grossman, parts of which were filmed and included in the 2016 documentary film Do Not Resist, which details the increased use of military hardware and tactics by local police departments in the U.S. Grossman's comments included in the documentary sound like they were pulled from a martial arts movie. At one point he said: You fight violence. What do you fight it with? Superior violence. Righteous violence. Violence is your tool. Violence is your enemy. Violence is the realm we operate in. You are men and women of violence. You must master it. Or it will destroy you. The film then cuts to another part of Grossman's speech in which he states: Look I've been on the road for 18 years, people know me, they trust me. I get a depth of information, I ask questions other people won't ask. The video then cuts again to Grossman saying this: The resurfacing of those comments prompted the Michigan Association of Chiefs of Police to cancel a training session given by Grossman for local police chiefs in the metro Detroit area, which was set for late May 2021. We reached out to Grossman for comment. Grossman responded by email, telling Snopes that his comments were taken out of context. In the longer version of this clip, they cut it, pasted it and shuffled it, over and over again. Everywhere you see the camera shift from me to the audience, they are cutting and pasting. When they cut from the audience to me again, they are cutting, pasting and shuffling. Grossman said that the comment above, which is being widely shared on social media, was part of a longer passage in the lecture about the physiological responses people may have to the adrenaline dumped into the system from experiencing a life-or-death situation: Grossman said that contrary to what is being said about him online, he doesn't teach people to kill. Criminology is not about teaching people to be criminals. And killology is not about teaching people to kill. It is about understanding the factors that enable and restrain killing in our society, Grossman said. He added, I teach about the science and research of what the mind and body goes through, in a life-and-death event. Then I teach my audiences a form of self-care by explaining what will happen after the event, how it can become PTSD, and how to prevent that from happening. Perhaps most importantly, I teach them that these responses are normal, and there is nothing 'wrong' with you when these things happen. (en)
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